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Dead Cardinal Left In The Front of F15teen
By Tim McKernan Monday, August 11, 2008

So, as I'm walking into our office today, I notice that there's a freshly dead bird sitting right in the walkway leading up to the entrance to F15teen.

 

I just maneuvered around it, and rolled my bag into the doorway.

 

Producer Joe comes in moments later and says, "Did you see that out there? It scared the hell out of me."

 

I said, "It's a dead bird. Big deal."

 

He said, "It's a dead Cardinal sitting right out for everyone to see."

 

My dad said, "Yeah, it's a dead Cardinal. Isn't that amazing that someone would do that?"

 

Still not convinced, I walked out to take a close look, and sure enough, the dead bird that was sitting outside of F15teen had red feathers...albeit clearly already in decaying mode.

 

This isn't CSI: St. Louis, so there's no proof of any malicious wrongdoing whatsoever, but it would be one hell of a coincidence if a dead Cardinal bird just happened to fall out of a tree or off the building.

 

Has it really gotten to this point for some people?

 

 

The Edmonds' Quote

 

I'm in a no-win situation.

 

I know that going in.

 

Many people have made up their minds on this story, and therefore, no matter what I write, I will receive hate mail and attacks.

 

Furthermore, when I write or talk about Jim Edmonds, who owns part of insideSTL.com, naturally, many readers or listeners assume bias.

 

I understand all of this...and hence, I know the risks I run in addressing this whole thing. But, few things get me worked up more than when I feel like someone---anyone---is convicted in the court of public opinion without all the details being out on the table.

 

And, I can assure you that there's a lot more to the now infamous quote from Friday's post-game snub of FSN's Brent Stover and KTRS' Mike Claiborne in which, as written by Bernie Miklasz in the Post-Dispatch Saturday in quoting Claiborne, Edmonds said, "I'm done with St. Louis TV and radio, and I'm done with the Cardinals."

 

What other details could there be?

 

This one: Edmonds says he didn't say it.

 

And, this one: Claiborne says he did say it.

 

And, finally this one: I know for a fact...beyond a shadow of a doubt...that even if Edmonds did say it, he didn't mean it.

 

Here's some background on the whole thing:

 

Friday night, I had just gotten to my Chicago hotel when I wandered over to Bernie's Pressbox on stltoday.com to see the quote for the first time. Edmonds and I had been exchanging text messages earlier about random non-baseball stuff, and when I saw the quote, I wrote to him:

 

"I just read what you said to Brent Stover and Mike Claiborne. This is gonna get ugly. I see the storm on the horizon, and I hate what I know is coming. You don't say that to those guys if La Russa doesn't say what he said in July. But, now  that quote is going to be your Garry Templeton moment with Cardinal fans. The booing is going to be merciless when you come to Busch Stadium again, despite what you and I know you really feel about St. Louis."

 

(Yeah...I know that seems like an incredibly long text message...but I sometimes go batshit with my texts).

 

Edmonds response: "What did I say?"

 

Moments later, before I had had a chance to respond to Edmonds' text, while I was on my other phone talking to Brent Stover to get his take on what happened at Wrigley Field following the game, I got another text from Edmonds saying, "I didn't say anything today!"

 

Stover acknowledged he wasn't happy that Edmonds snubbed him, however he said he didn't hear Edmonds say what he was being reported to have said. He made it clear that that didn't mean he didn't say it, it's just that he didn't hear anything like that.

 

After getting off the phone with Stover, I called Edmonds, and he was all fired up. He told me his side of the whole thing. Edmonds said he was asked by a Chicago Comcast reporter to do an interview, and he was waiting on the field to do the interview as the reporter interviewed the game's 11th inning hero Henry Blanco. A bunch of reporters started asking him to do interviews while he was waiting to do the Comcast interview, and he was getting swarmed. He said he didn't know if now that Comcast had gotten Blanco, who had just won the game with a base hit, if they were still going to need him for an interview. And, so, after waiting for awhile, he just began to go down the steps of the Cubs' dugout.

 

That's when he said "a guy with a red shirt" (Stover) said, "Jim, can we get you for a minute? I'm with Cardinals' TV."

 

Edmonds said he responded, "I don't play for the Cardinals anymore. Talk to somebody on their team."

 

He said the quote attributed to him of being done with St. Louis TV and radio and being done with the Cardinals was completely untrue. And, he was pretty upset about it being reported.

 

So, putting my reporter cap on for the first time in a few years, I called Mike Claiborne to get his side of the story. Claiborne made it clear that he likes Edmonds, has no reason to make anything up about Edmonds, and that he heard Edmonds say what he was being reported to have said.

 

Claiborne said he's been blown off by ballplayers...as just about everybody in the sports media has...plenty of times. He cited Albert Pujols' recent dismissal of an on-field interview after his 4-for-4 game vs. the Dodgers earlier this week. But, the manner in which Edmonds said it was so "poignant" to him that he recalled seeing a member of the Cubs' staff look over at him surprised when he heard Edmonds say what he says Edmonds said.

 

Now about an hour into this back and forth discussion as I bounced from Edmonds to Stover to Claiborne and a number of phone calls, I was regretting ever even getting involved in the whole damn thing. However, as I wrote above, if in fact Edmonds *didn't* say what Cardinal fans believed he had said, it was important to set the record straight, and as I told Edmonds and Claiborne, it would be a lot better if Edmonds set the record straight either on TV or radio...as opposed to me writing about it, because of a perceived conflict of interest.

 

But, after talking to both of them, it finally got to a point where I gave Edmonds Claiborne's phone number, and the two of them talked. And, after the two of them talked, in what both said was a non-hostile conversation, they each still stood by their stories.

 

Knowing Jim and knowing Mike, I am torn on the whole thing. I sincerely like and respect both guys. It's a classic "he said-he said."

 

So, I don't know what the hell really happened, but I thought that it was important for St. Louisans to know that Edmonds denies saying it...because I know that quote rocked some Cardinal fans to the core when they read it. And, as you can see in my text message to Edmonds after reading it, I was quite surprised to see it...and knew right when I read it that it was going to impact his legacy in St. Louis.

 

Here's what I do know...beyond a shadow of a doubt: Edmonds loves St. Louis...like he seriously is infatuated with our city. Anytime me, The Cat, Doug, Martin, or whomever on the radio show would bring up St. Louis and kind of joke around about something about the city, he'd immediately go out of his way to praise not just the city---which is saying something when all he really knew up until March of 2000 was Southern California---but also the fans. He absolutely loved playing here and plans on helping in the rejuvenation of the city long after he's done playing.

 

That is rare when it comes to former Cardinals. But, that's something I know to be true.

 

I also know it to be true that he was shocked and legitimately hurt by Tony La Russa's comments when he made his return to St. Louis. The afternoon of that 4th of July night game in which Edmonds played against the Cardinals for the first time since joining the Cubs, he was nervous. He had texted me to congratulate me on making it through Day 1 of the World Series of Poker. He was worried that fans would boo him because he was now a Cub, but he didn't expect La Russa to add some fuel to that potential fire with his comments, and by the end of the weekend in St. Louis, he was pretty damn pissed off about what had taken place.

 

But, it had nothing to do with his feelings toward the Cardinals, the fans, or the city.

 

It was directed toward La Russa.

 

And, similarly, if in fact he did say what he is reported to have said following Friday's game, I believe the comments were not directed toward employees of St. Louis TV stations, St.  Louis radio stations, or the St. Louis Cardinals.

 

I actually know that he holds no ill will toward the above three parties. It's just that simple. However, I can't blame Cardinal fans for reading that quote...hours after he played a role in pushing the Cardinals 7 games back of the hated Cubs...for thinking otherwise.

 

His statements to me Friday night and this column may not convince you of that right now. I would respect that.

 

However, I'm confident that his actions in St. Louis and with the Cardinals when he's done playing will.

 

What do you think? Log-in and post your comments below, or you can email me at tmckernan@insidestl.com.

Comments
By Butler Hill Road @ Monday, August 11, 2008 7:47 AM
Because Jimmy was possibly the greatest centerfielder in cardinals history, I want to believe it Tim. Can we expect Jim to make an appearance on your show anytime soon to personally refute the quote?

By Steve Kline's Bird @ Monday, August 11, 2008 8:22 AM
Are you sure there wasn't a ;-) and a LOL at the end of that text from Edmonds?

I'm fucking done with insidestl. ;-) LOL

By Imaspy @ Monday, August 11, 2008 11:01 AM
In a way I don't think it even matters if he said it. What does Edmonds feel today? What has he felt since he moved here and what will he more than likely feel in the future? I think without a doubt he feels a ton of love for having played here, loves the city and appreciates the fans memories of him in his prime as a player and World Series winner. Jim has always been sort of cranky and that has always brought humor to various media outlets. Maybe this time he got a little too cranky and regrets it and/or denies it, but that doesn't tarnish my memories of Jimmy's catches and big hits for the Cards. Jimmy will always be Mr. Baseball to me as a Cards fan. One silly quote to a reporter after a game won't erase that.....are you kiddin' me? The whole thing is really just silly. What kills me 1000% more is Jim making a catch that saves 2 runs in game 3, Jim hitting 2 HR's to win game 1 etc. but that is not Jim's fault. That is Jim doing what he does which is play great, exciting baseball!

By Space Mountain @ Monday, August 11, 2008 11:07 AM
You're biased.

Fuck Jim Edmonds.

By Peter @ Monday, August 11, 2008 11:38 AM
How many times have we all said something that we either regret or didn't mean. It just came out of our mouths. Move on with life, there are more importants things to complain about.

By rilke @ Monday, August 11, 2008 11:46 AM
This is like some junior high shit.

Timmy + Jimmy = bff 4ever <3

By Space Mountain @ Monday, August 11, 2008 11:46 AM
Forget he said anything. Hitting homers against us in crucial games and fipping his bat at the Cards' dugout, staring into the dugout, and showing the Cards up should be enough for everyone to be against this guy now.

By stlsig @ Monday, August 11, 2008 1:11 PM
If Jim would just get on FSN or one of the St. Louis outlets and express his feelings this would go away. If he ignores it, it will get worse.

I'm a big fan of his, but lets not pretend that fans haven't read all of his comments to the Chicago media saying he's done with St. Louis. We can all understand that he may say those things to get the Chicago media to ease off him, but that doesn't mean that as a whole people aren't going to be slightly resentful of those comments.

Just get him on the air and calm the storm on this story.

By Captain Kickass @ Monday, August 11, 2008 1:52 PM
Edmonds is like a chick. He moody and sometimes downright insane. I understand saying things to the Chicago media to get them off his back, but he plays for the Cubs after being a Cards great. What the hell does he expect. I don't like him now because he helps the Cubs beat the Cards. I will however always love what he did in St. Louis. He was awesome almost the whole time he was here. It kind of makes me laugh because I was motherfucking him all weekend and it got me to think, this is what cubs fans have felt about him the last 8 years. This is all stupid anyway. I need a beer.

By soccerdad @ Monday, August 11, 2008 2:21 PM
I believe he said it. I also believe he didn't mean it and was said without thinking. Time to move on.

By Master Splinter @ Monday, August 11, 2008 2:24 PM
The Cubs are so gay.

By lso74 @ Monday, August 11, 2008 3:07 PM
I think I'm finished with Cardinal fans and I suppose that means that I'm finished with the team.

I think being a Cardinal fan has become embarrassing at this point. Better than 50% of "Cardinal Nation" needs to seek out pyschiatric help. The level of insecurity is astonishing.

I mean they cheer meaningless home runs, they give standing ovations to mediocre players that come back to town (i.e. So Taguchi), and let's face it the whole "we love a gutty, hustling player" (i.e. Bo Hart, Subby Clapp) thing was kinda funny at one point, but it's more of a punch-line now isn't it? All of these acts seem to be a desperate desire just to beg for a players attention - "we love you ... do you still love us?"

I've had it. Jimmy was a great Cardinal. The only comments/gestures that he has made in his time as a Cub have been toward that ass-clown Larussa, who also has a complex about players that don't fall into his exact way of doing things. He's the manager and he is in charge but his taking Edmonds comments earlier this season is what started all of this.

Get off Edmonds, he's just a guy that wanted to keep playing the game and he is making the most out of the opportunity. He doesn't have anything against the city or the team except for the manager. Any fool that isn't going to the restaurant anymore or is going to boo him when he comes back to town is a hypocrite and you contiinue to show that this city doesn't have the best fans in baseball - rather - the most insecure fans in baseball.

By bluesfan74 @ Monday, August 11, 2008 5:23 PM
Its a good thing they didn't find a dead cub and put it there.

By Teufelshunde4 @ Monday, August 11, 2008 7:15 PM
For years my two favorite Cardinals were Jimmy and Scott Rolen.

As a baseball fan I understand that players time with teams come to an end. Jimmy and Scottie were to of the very best Cardinals there have ever been.

Rolen has taken the high road and not played the media game.
Where as Jimmy has not.. How many times since Spring Training have we all heard on the radio and even live Cards broadcasts about Jimmy texting Al or Cat? Its an everyday thing!
IF Jimmy truly wants to heal this breech in the hearts and minds of Cardinal fans? Jimmy just need to shut up and go play for the Cubs. No more texting Cat or Al and them talk about it on air. It will only fester the situation something worse.

By music19773 @ Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:49 AM
When you feel the need to kill the mascot of YOUR TEAM and place the carcas in front of a restaurant as a symbolic statement to how the co-owner is a 'dead cardinal' in your mind...you might want to consider another pastime. Cause obviously you have just boarded the first plane to 'HOLY HELL WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU'- ville. May I suggest fingerpainting or quilting instead?

By rmoger @ Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:26 AM
who cares if he said it or not, because as he may or may not have said, he doesn't play here anymore. St. Louis needs to get over it's inferiority complex.

By sheckmen @ Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:44 PM
Would you please put up Game6 Walk -Off HR and Game 7 catch and forget about this crap. Jimmy played the game great for STL and now he is gone...but man..the guy was a great Cardinal. I love Clabs, but this one I would have kept to myself...its a tough situation for Jimmy but in the end ...who cares...Jim Lives in STL folks..go jump on LaRussa....

By ms_corningstone @ Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:42 PM
What is this..."The Firm"?! I am as a big of a Cardinal fan as anyone...always have been....but I had (just moved out of stl back to my hometown in central illinois) the unique distinction of not being from st louis. The most pointed difference of being a non-native st louis cardinal fan....I seemto have learned the difference between "devotion" and "blind faith" somewhere along the line. And because I understand that players like Edmonds are NOT my personal bitches....I can let them go. Especially when they ask to leave.

We offer him a standing ovation when he returns to Busch with our number one rival and leader of the division. But when he allledgedly makes an offhanded comment that really only states a fact....we are calling for his death. WHAT?!? Do you have to be from outside of the ksdk viewing area to see the polarity in this? St Louis is effectively stalking this man. I think it's pretty elementary. Jim Edmonds is likely simply attempting to build solidarity with his new team....no small task, I'm sure. It's his JOB! If I sold for KFNS....well, if I worked for KFNS, this point would be moot because I would effing off myself....would I be expected to continue singing their praises after I secured a position with 1380? The answer is no.

Why do we expect something from Jim Edmonds that we would run any new Cardinal out of town on a rail for....showing affinty/affection for his last team.

I know if hard for you/us to understand, St Louis...but Jim Edmonds broke up with us. He doesn't love us anymore. We got the "it's not you, it's me" speech. Appreciate him for the time we spent together. Wish him the best. but, please St Louis..in the name of all that is holy...let him go.

By Pujols5Cardinals4Molina @ Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:18 PM
Obviously whoever posted the comment that they were done with the Cardinals and done with Cardinal fans isn't a true Cardinal fan because Cardinal fans stick by their team. Jim Edmonds has done a lot for the Cardinals and even though their have been some rough feelings going around since he went to the Cubs I don't believe half of it. Because unlike a lot of peole when someone says they didn't say something I believe them. Edmonds is a good person and so are the rest of the Cardinals thats why it dosen't matter who it is wheather it's a superstar like Jim Edmonds or a guy like David Eckstien and So Taguci the fans in St.Louis are always going to make them feel proud and welcome.

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